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[katayla]

So the week of Doctor Who craziness comes to an end and I surprise myself by being able to be coherent.


I'm really, really satisfied, which I didn't expect to be. (I'm telling you, low expectations are the way to go!)

I started reading a bunch of speculation about how this all might end up, considering Russell T. Davies is leaving and a big part of the story he seems to want to tell (like it or not and I LOVE it) is the Rose/Doctor love story. And so when we ended up with the two Doctors, I kind of started seeing how it would probably work out. And sure it's all crazy, but that's Doctor Who for you and I really love that Rose DID get a happy ending.

And it did come full circle, in a way, with her Doctor being similar to the first Doctor she met. I listened to all the commentary on the first series and read more fan spec, and it got me thinking about how much Rose did for the first Doctor (well, the ninth Doctor . . . you know who I mean!). I think she really did make him care again. Sort of brought him back to life, to get all dramatical about it.

Another one of my worries going into this was that, you know, I was pretty damn sure that Billie Piper wasn't going to come back full time, and I didn't know how the Doctor would handle losing her again. Series three was bad enough! And I do think he'll be sad, but he should be much more all right with it then he was back then.

And I don't think I'll mind as much now if Moffat wants to write more of the Doctor falling in love with random people stories (I DO like Moffat for some things, but he's guilty for most of those episodes). It's still really, really, really not the kind of storyline I'm fond of (on any show, not just here), but at least I won't have the nagging "Remember Rose?" thought at the back of my head.

And nobody really died. The Donna stuff was really sad because at least all of his other former Companions (well, the new series ones anyway . . . don't know it goes for the older ones) get to remember the former life. And it seems that this bars Catherine Tate from ever being on the show again, but I like to think she'll still manage to have a better life now. Maybe some subconscious traces of what she did with the Doctor will remain. And maybe she could turn up on Torchwood.

Speaking of Torchwood, it sounds like Martha WILL be joining the cast, which makes me happy. And maybe even Mickey? I think I could enjoy that. Especially if he's not pining after Rose anymore. (That always made me so sad for him. She bears part of the blame, but he let her.)

Other random stuff:
~The Doctor's giggle when Rose admitted she was looking for a way back to him! One of those cute Doctor/Rose moments I wasn't sure they'd have time enough to fit in.
~Martha and Rose's brief little moment of acceptance. "Ooh, she's good."/"Oh my God. He found you." I was hoping for something like that between them.
~Everyone piloting the TARDIS!
~And, actually, the Doctor's whole happy little family in general. Everyone together.
~So we didn't actually get to hear the "I love you," but, in the words of one Doctor, "Does it need saying?"

So I built up the finale to be a Big Bad thing in my head and planned on seeking out a bunch more fluffy fic about the Doctor, Rose, and Donna traveling together. I'll probably still do that, but I also want a bunch of fic about Rose and the Doctor in the parallel work. I'm sure lots will start turning up any second, if it hasn't already!


Um, actually, I wrote a bunch. But you all already knew how obsessive I am, right?

I think I'm going to run off to soak in the bathtub, but I'm hoping you guys wrote/will write lots of entries for me to read & reply to, so I can stay in my little Doctor Who bubble for a while longer.

Comments

[megxers.livejournal.com]

I can't believe so many people (myself included) thought it was gonna be hellish for the Rose lovers. But I'm still not sure how I feel about giving Rose a Doctor, even though I LOVED the idea when I read it as a theory.

(using a cylon icon for the parallels, LOL)

[megxers.livejournal.com]

OH, and as I was thinking more, it was like when the 8 was telling Helo about how they were so similar and Helo is like GTFO. I mean, come on Rose, its creepy.

But them kissing is still my AIM icon.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

I think Rose did think it was creepy at first, though. Because she did object a bit.

Anyway, it's more than I thought we'd get. :)

[dizzy4411.livejournal.com]

Your post has actually made me feel a little better about the Doctor/Rose resolution, so thanks! But part of me still finds it just wrong in a way, because it's not what Rose wanted and he didn't let her choose. I think living a human life with Rose was what the Doctor always wanted, so he sort of assumed that's what she'd want. I think in a way it makes the Doctor happy to know that a version of him gets to live "happily ever after" even if he never will. The scene left a bad taste in my mouth, though. :/

I've been watching season 1 and was planning on posting about Rose bringing the Doctor back to life, so ITA! I can't agree with you about Donna-- that made me SO SAD and was just AWFUL!!

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Yeah . . . it's a little weird, but it's better than I expected and, really, probably better than Rose expected. It might not be exactly what she wanted, but I think she'll end up happy.

I hope you still post! I've been focused on Ten/Rose lately, given what's been happening, but Nine/Rose is fascinating, too.

I think I'll be more sad about Donna in future viewings. For now, I'm just glad she's still alive!

[stargazr324.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Mickey and Martha are supposed to be joining Torchwood. And I was very glad to see Rose finally giving Martha some respect -- after all, Martha was happy that the Doctor and Rose were together again. And I am thrilled to see Mickey finally get away from Rose; she treated him horribly.


I hated the ending with the Doctor(s) and Rose. Honestly, it made me dislike her more; she always wants more, and is never happy. The doctor she gets to keep is human, but he has the same memories and more or less the same personality as the real one, but that's not good enough for her. Nevermind that he was the only one willing to tell her he loved her -- she wanted the other one. (I would happily take that version of him!) I feel sorry for the doctor who stayed with her; he genuinely loves her, and will probably end up like poor Mickey while she searches for yet another way to get to her Doctor.


I didn't like the ending with the Doctor and Donna either. She wanted to be special, and would rather die than go back to an ordinary life. What right does he have to take her memories away from her?

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think Rose'll be happy. I was kind of with her in that moment, so I understood her reaction. I think it's better than she expected to get, even if it's not as much as she might've hoped. In my head, it all works out perfectly anyway. :)

Yeah, as I commented above, I think I'll feel sadder about Donna in future viewings. In my head (it's a very happy place in there . . . at least related to TV things), enough residue from her travels is there for her to have a fantastic life of her own.

[stargazr324.livejournal.com]

Granted, Donna did seem happy at the end, and I'd imagine before she met the Doctor (and kept trying to meet him again) she was fairly happy, but I still don't think it was his decision to make. He could have taken her to a fantastic planet to die on. (and her mom is just a bitch. Seriously, he brought her back safe and she will be happy again. Maybe if her mom wasn't such a nag.)

Eh, I don't know, but I have not been feeling the Rose love lately at all. I read the synopsis of the episode before I actually watched it, and brewed up some disgust for that ending (everyone I read it said that Rose was supposed to die, and I was fine with that), even if it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Oh, Donna's mom bugs me. But she has her grandfather, at least.

Yeah, I've been sensing the lack of Rose love from you. ;) It worked for me, though. Anyway, I think the show will be very different from here on out.

[stargazr324.livejournal.com]

Yes, and I wish her grandfather would talk some sense into her mom. The other moms all got better -- I can tolerate Jackie now, and Francine is pretty great. But Sylvia -- ugh.

You should have seen me after series two, I seriously adored her. Was bound and determined to hate Martha. I think so much time has passed since I first loved Rose (even though I've rewatched those episodes) that I'm just not as attached to her anymore.

I think I will like the ending more (at least the Rose part of it) after I watch it a few times, but I really feel they could have made her better. I just think she was written rather snippy in these two episodes. She was supposed to be so much more mature, since three years have passed since she left the doctor, and while I can understand her being a bit torn, I still think she was rather mean to blue suit doctor and pining a bit too much after brown suit doctor.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they never did humanize Sylvia as much as they did the other moms, did they?

Heh. I'm probably still more on the Rose-loving side of things (though you know I love Martha, too!). But I can see how having the time pass would make a difference.

You know, I was just thinking we'd gotten a little more time with Rose and with the Doctor who stayed with her. Because in my happy-go-lucky TV watching ways, I believe they'll have a great life together, but I can definitely see why other people don't necessarily see that.

[stargazr324.livejournal.com]

Even more than time, after Doomsday I never expected the Doctor to be with her again, so I mourned with him, and shut the door on her. I think after I rewatch it a few times I may start feeling the Rose love again (although I still think they made her just slightly too whiny.)

I did rewatch that scene, and I do hope you're right. I hope that spending time with blue suit will make her realize that he really is the same man, only this is the man who can express those human emotions and can have the happily-ever-after the real Doctor never can.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Since I just watched it, I knew Rose was coming back after "Doomsday," but I didn't except them to be together again. But I think knowing she was coming back still made a difference.

I think she will. I think it will be a little like after his regeneration, when she had to get used to the fact that it was the same man with a different face.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

It makes me happy that one Doctor gets the one adventure he thought he could never have.

And I think that will do the other Doctor good, too. Knowing that, in a way, he does get Rose and all those things. I think he might get back a little bit of that carefree attitude he had in season two. I hope so anyway.

[midnightzstorm.livejournal.com]

I had some little hope that maybe Rose would stay with the Doctor, you know at least through the Christmas special or so.

I honestly don't like the resolution, if you can call it that. The Doctor is alone, again. And now it seems will never see Rose ever again.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I did think Rose might stay for the Christmas specials, but I didn't expect to see her after that, so I'm okay if this is the last we saw of her.

But I think the Doctor won't be as bad as we've sometimes seen him. I think he'll be a little happy knowing that one version of him DOES get to be with Rose. And I imagine he'll be sad about about Donna . . . but at least everyone else is in a good place.

[place-to-hide.livejournal.com]

I was almost afraid Rose would not have a happy ending again.Hopefully Rose make the Doctor(with the one heart) 'care' again and etc.

And I was happy they kissed.

I was happy that Rose & Martha got to officially met...well Martha was on the screen when she was meeting Rose. But all the same,Officially met. And had those little little scenes together,like that hug.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

I think she will. (Too bad we won't get to see it!)

Yeah, it was nice to see Rose & Martha meet, after poor Martha had heard so much about Rose.

[place-to-hide.livejournal.com]

I know. It's a shame!

Exactly. And Rose hadn't heard much about Martha. Because she was trying get back to The Doctor. And all Rose had was that moment when they all connected to webcam and Rose had to watch & listen because they couldn't hear her and then when Martha got on the screen and started talking to Davros.