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[katayla]

Someday, probably even very soon, I will stop talking about Doctor Who so much. But not yet.

I know I avoided spoilers for the Doctor Who finale, but now I want to know things about the specials. What information is actually out there about them?

Is anyone caught up on both Doctor Who and Farscape? There's a discussion I want to have, but I might have to have it with myself.

And now I'm going for a walk. I've been freaking lazy since school got out. Must try to fix that!

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[dizzy4411.livejournal.com]

I am caught up on Doctor Who and Farscape! What did you want to discuss? The two Johns vs. two Doctors? Because two Doctors made me immediately think "Farscape!" I actually find Doctor Who a little reminiscent of Farscape, at least in tone. They both have the same sense of insanity.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Yeah! And specifically I had a really hard time with the two Johns thing the first time I watched Farscape. How could Aeryn be with one while the other one was still out there? And then how could she be with the other one after watching one John die? It took me a really long time to wrap my brain around it.

But I think going through all of that with Farscape made me instantly like the DW ending much better than I would've otherwise. Because Rose DID get her Doctor, you know? He's the same man she fell in love with, just human. And even though it's weird, I think seeing John & Aeryn go through a similar situation (that I actually think was worse) made me feel like "Well, yeah it's a happy ending for the Doctor and Rose." If that makes sense. :)

I actually find Doctor Who a little reminiscent of Farscape, at least in tone. They both have the same sense of insanity.

I agree! And I think they have the same sense of wonder. With shows like Star Trek, aliens and space are normal. But John and (most of) the Doctor's Companions are like us, with the "Wow! Aliens! Time travel!"

[dizzy4411.livejournal.com]

The whole two Johns thing never made much sense to me, and always seemed like a plot contrivance-- like "how do we have two ships and separate episodes for each ship and still have Ben Browder on all the time?"-- than an actual story decision. I think it was VERY courageous on Farscape's plot to do the story, but it never quite worked for me. I was so angry when Aeryn came back and spurned the John who was left behind. I remember thinking "he's RIGHT THERE!" and wanting to strangle something through the TV. I honestly try not to think about the two Johns and Aeryn's two relationships with him, because it's just WEIRD. I thought at one point they made a reference that made me think the John that lived somehow got the memories of the John that died, but I can't remember exactly the episode or the situation, so I could be wrong.

The problem I have with Doctor Who is that, unlike Farscape, they didn't make it clear that the human Doctor is the same as the alien Doctor. There was no "rock-paper-scissors" scene showing you they're the same, and actually everything in the ep showed you that they're different. Doctor #2 has some of Donna in him and some humanity that will automatically make him different, and he committed a genocide that alien-Doctor thought was wrong (though I have HUGE issues with the alien Doctor's genocide as reason for exile explanation). The fact that I want to write the "real Doctor" when referring to the one still on the Tardis speaks volumes.

I do think it was a happy ending for Rose, but I really dislike the way the show portrayed it. I think they could've easily taken out some of the pain and sadness from it if they had made it more "he's THE SAME" like Farscape did. As it is, I feel so conflicted. I WANT to be all happy, but I can't shake a niggling doubt that something's not quite right about the ending, and I don't know why they left it that way, or wrote it that way. Rose at least deserved a goodbye from the Tardis!Doctor!

Um, sorry for the rambling comment. Apparently, I wanted to discuss Farscape and Doctor Who too, I just didn't know it. :)

[katayla.livejournal.com]

And here I am replying right away because it's one of those days where I'm sitting in front of my computer, in my pajamas, at 11 in the morning! :)

I honestly try not to think about the two Johns and Aeryn's two relationships with him, because it's just WEIRD.

See, and my problem was it became ALL I could think about! Because, yes, very weird and crazy and I just didn't get it. I wanted John and Aeryn together, but they already WERE together and he died and . . . it didn't make sense. But, eventually, I think it worked out in my head and I was able to enjoy the story.

I seem to remember a scene, too, where I thought the living John got the memories of the other John, but I can't remember the specifics either. I think it might've had to do with his attitude toward Aeryn's pregnancy. (That always seemed weird to me, too. Yes, John's the father, but which John?)

I do think it was a happy ending for Rose, but I really dislike the way the show portrayed it.

I really think we needed to see her interact more with the Doctor she got. Because I DO think he's the same, but I can understand why people don't since we just didn't see enough of them together (the kissing was GREAT, but that was never what they were about).

Rose at least deserved a goodbye from the Tardis!Doctor!

And I wanted him to get one from her! I'm sure he didn't want to cause any of them more pain, but it would've been a nice bit of closure all around.

I keep hoping (probably in vain) that next year's specials will deal with this, at least a bit. I highly doubt Moffat will, but RTD has a little more time . . .

[stargazr324.livejournal.com]

Here (http://planetgallifrey.blogspot.com/2008/04/christmas-special.html) is info on the Christmas special. It has screenshots, and will probably have spoilers once more info is released.

[katayla.livejournal.com]

Awesome! Thanks.